Comments on: Inept Leadership http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/ Sam Metcalf's blog about a new generation of leaders for the global church. Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:30:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Makeesha http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-15882 Makeesha Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:03:59 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-15882 now doubt about that David. now doubt about that David.

]]> By: David http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-15045 David Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:00:52 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-15045 I agree, that this can be blessing in disguise. This happened to us, and God has pretty much blown the doors off of 'how' we want to do church. I kinda feel like we've gone from flying a plane to jumping out of one! :-) I agree, that this can be blessing in disguise. This happened to us, and God has pretty much blown the doors off of ‘how’ we want to do church.

I kinda feel like we’ve gone from flying a plane to jumping out of one! :-)

]]> By: John Hagedorn http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-15038 John Hagedorn Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:06:01 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-15038 It is not just Britain. Protestant Churches in Russia are, for the most part, stagnant due to abuse of power as well as “vision-less and bureaucratic” leadership. When leaders do not (or can not) discern the Spirit’s leading and lack the humility/courage to empower others, politics wins out, people are hurt and the church suffers. If a movement is to start here, as there, it will most likely start outside of the present church structures. It makes me shake my head. Thanks for reminding us that “God...will accomplish his purposes in new, fresh kingdom expressions and structures that out of necessity must circumvent the establishment.” It is not just Britain. Protestant Churches in Russia are, for the most part, stagnant due to abuse of power as well as “vision-less and bureaucratic” leadership. When leaders do not (or can not) discern the Spirit’s leading and lack the humility/courage to empower others, politics wins out, people are hurt and the church suffers. If a movement is to start here, as there, it will most likely start outside of the present church structures. It makes me shake my head. Thanks for reminding us that “God…will accomplish his purposes in new, fresh kingdom expressions and structures that out of necessity must circumvent the establishment.”

]]> By: Patrick http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-14950 Patrick Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:50:22 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-14950 St. Patrick's Apology was written, scholars say, to defend himself against Church leaders in Britain who sought his removal. So, nothing new at all. Paul, from what I can tell, ran into the same problems. Success upsets power structures, so the powerful upset the successful. But, like you said, it's not going to stop the Holy Spirit who will be increasingly decentralizing the Church I suspect. I think we are in a wonderful, wonderful time of seeing this transition happening, even as its terribly frustrating for many of us to see success rejected for nebulous 'reasons'. St. Patrick’s Apology was written, scholars say, to defend himself against Church leaders in Britain who sought his removal. So, nothing new at all. Paul, from what I can tell, ran into the same problems.

Success upsets power structures, so the powerful upset the successful. But, like you said, it’s not going to stop the Holy Spirit who will be increasingly decentralizing the Church I suspect.

I think we are in a wonderful, wonderful time of seeing this transition happening, even as its terribly frustrating for many of us to see success rejected for nebulous ‘reasons’.

]]> By: alexander campbell http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-14842 alexander campbell Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:50:37 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-14842 Hi Sam, there is a recent update report on stuff going on outside the existing church structures on www.simplechurch.co.uk . it is a followup to the main report I did for the Mission 21 conference last year and reflects on what is going on at a grass roots level - unseen and unrecognised by most in the existing church structures, usually because it neither looks like 'church' nor falls under their sphere of 'control'. As has been the case for 100's of years the 2 key issues at stake in all this are: money and power. Now you're in england it'd be great to meet sometime! Hi Sam, there is a recent update report on stuff going on outside the existing church structures on http://www.simplechurch.co.uk . it is a followup to the main report I did for the Mission 21 conference last year and reflects on what is going on at a grass roots level – unseen and unrecognised by most in the existing church structures, usually because it neither looks like ‘church’ nor falls under their sphere of ‘control’.
As has been the case for 100’s of years the 2 key issues at stake in all this are: money and power.
Now you’re in england it’d be great to meet sometime!

]]> By: Mike http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-14835 Mike Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:16:15 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/06/17/inept-leadership/#comment-14835 Hey Sam, sometimes I wish you'd just come out and say what you mean! :-) You give me courage to continue to be the unorthodox radical I am! My community thanks you! ! ! Hey Sam, sometimes I wish you’d just come out and say what you mean! :-) You give me courage to continue to be the unorthodox radical I am! My community thanks you! ! !

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