Comments on: Funding in Other Cultures http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/01/19/funding-in-other-cultures/ Sam Metcalf's blog about a new generation of leaders for the global church. Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:32:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: David Malouf http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/01/19/funding-in-other-cultures/comment-page-1/#comment-2514 David Malouf Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:53:21 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/01/19/funding-in-other-cultures/#comment-2514 I see we agree on much! Thank you for taking the time to clarify. (and I apologize for my tardy response here!). I am currently underway to Seattle, WA, to be a part of the beginning of a U.S. team for OC International (www.oci.org). So we're "living like a missionary" in the financial realm -- all raised support. My family IS one of two development/building Maloufs here in Phoenix. My family's line started with Grant Malouf and continued with his two boys, Bob (my dad) and Rick (my uncle) -- they are married to Mary and Joan, respectively. My only sibling/older brother Mark is also a builder here in Phoenix. All are wonderful Believers and very good builders and developers! It's a real treat to have such an incredible heritage in this city. I'm the only one that stayed out of the business - I've been a pastor for most of my vocational life. Yes, I married well and have wonderful kids by means of an exceptional wife!! David I see we agree on much! Thank you for taking the time to clarify. (and I apologize for my tardy response here!).

I am currently underway to Seattle, WA, to be a part of the beginning of a U.S. team for OC International (www.oci.org). So we’re “living like a missionary” in the financial realm—all raised support.

My family IS one of two development/building Maloufs here in Phoenix. My family’s line started with Grant Malouf and continued with his two boys, Bob (my dad) and Rick (my uncle)—they are married to Mary and Joan, respectively. My only sibling/older brother Mark is also a builder here in Phoenix. All are wonderful Believers and very good builders and developers! It’s a real treat to have such an incredible heritage in this city. I’m the only one that stayed out of the business – I’ve been a pastor for most of my vocational life.

Yes, I married well and have wonderful kids by means of an exceptional wife!!

David

]]> By: Sam http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/01/19/funding-in-other-cultures/comment-page-1/#comment-1917 Sam Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:55:25 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/01/19/funding-in-other-cultures/#comment-1917 David: Thanks for the thoughts. You raise some very good points. A few thoughts in response: 1. "Going" definitely needs to be discerned by more than an individual. It takes a community to confirm and to send (Acts 13). 2. In my support raising experience, my responsiblity is to find those people whom God is uniquely communicating with that they should partner with me. The real issue is to help them hear from God and respond, not to respond to me because I'm persurasive. 3. If it appears I cannot find enough people to participate financially with me, then it seems I have three options: first, I haven't really worked at it. I may need more help, coaching or accountability. Secondly, this may be God's way of speaking, through the community, that I shouldn't go. Lastly, it may mean that I need to consider alternative or supplimental means of funding. You mentioned that you are "living on raised monies." What do you do? Also, there was a family in Phoenix that I ran into years ago with your last name who were in the development/home building business. You part of that clan? PS: Great family pic on your blog ...nice kids! David: Thanks for the thoughts. You raise some very good points. A few thoughts in response:

1. “Going” definitely needs to be discerned by more than an individual. It takes a community to confirm and to send (Acts 13).

2. In my support raising experience, my responsiblity is to find those people whom God is uniquely communicating with that they should partner with me. The real issue is to help them hear from God and respond, not to respond to me because I’m persurasive.

3. If it appears I cannot find enough people to participate financially with me, then it seems I have three options: first, I haven’t really worked at it. I may need more help, coaching or accountability. Secondly, this may be God’s way of speaking, through the community, that I shouldn’t go. Lastly, it may mean that I need to consider alternative or supplimental means of funding.

You mentioned that you are “living on raised monies.” What do you do? Also, there was a family in Phoenix that I ran into years ago with your last name who were in the development/home building business. You part of that clan?

PS: Great family pic on your blog …nice kids!

]]> By: David Malouf http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/01/19/funding-in-other-cultures/comment-page-1/#comment-1839 David Malouf Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:34:42 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2007/01/19/funding-in-other-cultures/#comment-1839 I can't help but comment after reading this and the previous post. As one living on raised monies, I think I understand a bit of what you're writing/thinking about. So let me throw in a little mixing... Whenever we run against these kinds of obstacles, we are left with the "is God saying 'no'" issue. A faith-question. Never easy, as I'm sure you know. Is the obstacle a shut(ing) door is God's direct action to stop/redirect. What if what is being seen is more flatly a response to more than just the situation at-hand? What if people are simply tired of funding something THEY don't believe in? We are left with an interesting situation: the one who wants to go who thinks God is cleary stating "Go" and the one who has the resources (10%, 5%, etc.) but doesn't think God is telling this other person to "Go." Perhaps these issues are not always generosity as much as they are community (i.e. not necessarily one or possibly a both)? The significant drawback to the later of the two is that it takes a LOT longer to fix!! Some thoughts, David Malouf Phoenix, Arizona I can’t help but comment after reading this and the previous post. As one living on raised monies, I think I understand a bit of what you’re writing/thinking about.

So let me throw in a little mixing… Whenever we run against these kinds of obstacles, we are left with the “is God saying ‘no’” issue. A faith-question. Never easy, as I’m sure you know. Is the obstacle a shut(ing) door is God’s direct action to stop/redirect.

What if what is being seen is more flatly a response to more than just the situation at-hand? What if people are simply tired of funding something THEY don’t believe in? We are left with an interesting situation: the one who wants to go who thinks God is cleary stating “Go” and the one who has the resources (10%, 5%, etc.) but doesn’t think God is telling this other person to “Go.”

Perhaps these issues are not always generosity as much as they are community (i.e. not necessarily one or possibly a both)? The significant drawback to the later of the two is that it takes a LOT longer to fix!!

Some thoughts,
David Malouf
Phoenix, Arizona

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