Comments on: Urban Realities http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/ Sam Metcalf's blog about a new generation of leaders for the global church. Sat, 08 May 2010 04:38:28 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Sam http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-581 Sam Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:15:01 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/#comment-581 I agree wholeheartedly. As I said in my previous reply, it means people knowing "how to live and minister" in that reality which is more than just becoming aware of it. I agree wholeheartedly. As I said in my previous reply, it means people knowing “how to live and minister” in that reality which is more than just becoming aware of it.

]]> By: Tom Middleton http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-580 Tom Middleton Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:19:54 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/#comment-580 It seems then that part of our training for urban missionaries should include working in this reality, not just becoming aware of it. I don't mean dealing with demonic presences manifesting themselves in places like St. Petersburg only. But also seeking the kind of training in healing and casting out of demons to achieve healing in the lives of individuals that the disciples received from Jesus. If Leanne Payne, in her book "Healing Presence" is right, and I believe she is based on my burgeoning experience with this, living a whole and healed life before God will demonstrate to our neighbors much more effectively than apologetics that Jesus alone is Lord. It seems then that part of our training for urban missionaries should include working in this reality, not just becoming aware of it. I don’t mean dealing with demonic presences manifesting themselves in places like St. Petersburg only. But also seeking the kind of training in healing and casting out of demons to achieve healing in the lives of individuals that the disciples received from Jesus. If Leanne Payne, in her book “Healing Presence” is right, and I believe she is based on my burgeoning experience with this, living a whole and healed life before God will demonstrate to our neighbors much more effectively than apologetics that Jesus alone is Lord.

]]> By: Sam http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-579 Sam Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:44:59 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/#comment-579 Tom: 1. Sorry. No credit is granted for referring me to the article. Serving incognito comes with the turf! 2. The postmodern shift certainly means that Western culture will be more open to the realities of the supernatural. In this sense, I believe postmodernism is akin to premodernism and even animism. In such cultures and societies, the "excluded middle" (Hiebert) is no longer excluded. Unless we know how to live and minister in that reality, we are left trying to carry on a fight in the supernatural realm with our hands in cuffs. Tom:

1. Sorry. No credit is granted for referring me to the article. Serving incognito comes with the turf!

2. The postmodern shift certainly means that Western culture will be more open to the realities of the supernatural. In this sense, I believe postmodernism is akin to premodernism and even animism. In such cultures and societies, the “excluded middle” (Hiebert) is no longer excluded. Unless we know how to live and minister in that reality, we are left trying to carry on a fight in the supernatural realm with our hands in cuffs.

]]> By: Tom Middleton http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-578 Tom Middleton Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:10:45 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/#comment-578 Sam, As I engage with God through Colin with inner-healing prayer, I am wondering if your most recent blog regarding what is necessary to go to places such as the Middle East is exactly what is necessary to bring healing and see the powerful Kingdom of God descend in these new boomtowns. I wonder if postmodernism is precisely the metacultural shift that will enable westerners to be open to the very power of God that will bring forth His Kingdom? Sam,
As I engage with God through Colin with inner-healing prayer, I am wondering if your most recent blog regarding what is necessary to go to places such as the Middle East is exactly what is necessary to bring healing and see the powerful Kingdom of God descend in these new boomtowns. I wonder if postmodernism is precisely the metacultural shift that will enable westerners to be open to the very power of God that will bring forth His Kingdom?

]]> By: Tom Middleton http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-577 Tom Middleton Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:03:38 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/08/04/urban-realities/#comment-577 Do I get credit for turning you onto this article, or is that just part of being Ministry Asst. to the President Do I get credit for turning you onto this article, or is that just part of being Ministry Asst. to the President

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