Comments on: Barna on the Local Church http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/04/20/barna-on-the-local-church/ Sam Metcalf's blog about a new generation of leaders for the global church. Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:50:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Zane Anderson http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/04/20/barna-on-the-local-church/#comment-80 Zane Anderson Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:44:25 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/04/20/barna-on-the-local-church/#comment-80 As to the question of if Barna has done it himself, only he could best answer. According to the book jacket "doing" isn't where it's at. It's "being the church." Now that's an interesting phrase. Wonder what the origin of it is. What would my kids say if I took them aside today and commanded that they "just be the family?" Most churches, btw, which I have seen would love to have some energized "revolutionaries" to encourage and be encouraged by. What's new? As to the question of if Barna has done it himself, only he could best answer. According to the book jacket “doing” isn’t where it’s at. It’s “being the church.”

Now that’s an interesting phrase. Wonder what the origin of it is. What would my kids say if I took them aside today and commanded that they “just be the family?”

Most churches, btw, which I have seen would love to have some energized “revolutionaries” to encourage and be encouraged by. What’s new?

]]> By: Sam http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/04/20/barna-on-the-local-church/#comment-59 Sam Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:53:03 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/04/20/barna-on-the-local-church/#comment-59 Alan: Great question. I have only met George Barna once and that was many years ago. So I have no firsthand or personal anecdotes to spice up my reply. I have two suspicions: 1) It seems like a profound dissapointment in the local church combined with an intense, prophetic gifting have come together in what he writes and 2) He is very apostolically gifted and because of an ecclesiology that is too limited, he has been frustrated beyond measure in his expectations as to what could and should happen in a local church setting. Hey, when you move to California, let's go see him. You're a well known author and with such celbrity status, you could probably get us an appointment! Alan:

Great question.

I have only met George Barna once and that was many years ago. So I have no firsthand or personal anecdotes to spice up my reply.

I have two suspicions:

1) It seems like a profound dissapointment in the local church combined with an intense, prophetic gifting have come together in what he writes and

2) He is very apostolically gifted and because of an ecclesiology that is too limited, he has been frustrated beyond measure in his expectations as to what could and should happen in a local church setting.

Hey, when you move to California, let’s go see him. You’re a well known author and with such celbrity status, you could probably get us an appointment!

]]> By: Alan Hirsch http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/04/20/barna-on-the-local-church/#comment-57 Alan Hirsch Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:24:28 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/04/20/barna-on-the-local-church/#comment-57 Hi Sam Gee Barna is hard on the Church! I'm really amazed he still has an audience. Not that I disagree with his claim about Jesus being the central reality and hope for the world. Who would anyhow?! Nor am I challenging his basic argument tht the church at large is the major blockage to the Gospel. I agree with him, but I do think a bit more grace is called for. He is so unrelenting with that whipping stick of his. My question to a guy like Barna is: have you ever tried doing it yourself? Hi Sam

Gee Barna is hard on the Church! I’m really amazed he still has an audience. Not that I disagree with his claim about Jesus being the central reality and hope for the world. Who would anyhow?! Nor am I challenging his basic argument tht the church at large is the major blockage to the Gospel. I agree with him, but I do think a bit more grace is called for. He is so unrelenting with that whipping stick of his. My question to a guy like Barna is: have you ever tried doing it yourself?

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