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	<title>Comments on: The Expulsive Power of a New Affection &#8230;part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/03/24/the-expulsive-power-of-a-new-affection-part-2/#comment-49</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the well-stated explanation.  I couldn't agree more!</description>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 02:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

I appreciate what you had to say. I think the mission community needs to hear more about the increasing costs as missionaries enter their 30s, 40s, and 50s: kids' education, health issues, retirement, peer envy, etc. so that we are not shocked by it one day, having heard little about it before.

For those missionary Pillars to say, "I never made a sacrifice," is the result of working through counting the costs many times during their lives. Not just once in their 20s. But again after each milestone or tragedy.

So, I think it would be helpful to hear more of the mid-40s "recounting of the costs" struggle stories. Those would encourage and provide examples of how others have matured. It IS a maturing process.

In my original response I was speaking for myself of 3-4 years ago and for some of my friends who were going through the same thing.

Two of us have worked through the "recounting of the costs" and taken many practical steps toward preparing an additional foundation that will keep us out on the field another 10 years at least. We first had to answer the deep questions of, "Is it worth it?" "Am I doing something so worthwhile that it's worth the sacrifice?" I think a lot of missionaries can't answer that, and this is way they leave the field.

On the ministry strategy side, I made two sets of adjustments to get my ministry more in line with what God has been calling me to do. Habit and the inertia of life had me doing things that weren't right on target. By sharpening my ministry focus, that did a lot for me to say, "This is exactly what God wants me to be doing right now." That knowledge makes it easy to recount the costs and keep going!

On the practical side: We raised 20% more $ a month. We quadrupled our retirement/long-term savings over 3 years. We moved to a place better suited for our family for the long-term. My friend bought a cabin way up north in Canada on a lake and goes there each year with his family to establish "roots" and how-to-live-in-Canada for his High School kids.

These financial things required us to think differently about our finances. Not like a guy in his 20s, but as a mid-career person. It was a natural progression in thinking to move from my more focused, mature ministry strategy to realistically figuring out what I need financially speaking to be able to do that strategy. For me, it meant thinking not just about ministry expenses, but more about our family's long-term investments.

That's my story in a nutshell. I'd like to hear more stories of "recounting the costs" struggles. Those stories will nicely sandwich in-between the give-it-all-up-for-Jesus-in-your-20s  stories, and the I-never-made-a-sacrifice stories of those who finished well. Prayerfully, many more people can make the transition into mid-life ministry successfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>I appreciate what you had to say. I think the mission community needs to hear more about the increasing costs as missionaries enter their 30s, 40s, and 50s: kids&#8217; education, health issues, retirement, peer envy, etc. so that we are not shocked by it one day, having heard little about it before.</p>
<p>For those missionary Pillars to say, &#8220;I never made a sacrifice,&#8221; is the result of working through counting the costs many times during their lives. Not just once in their 20s. But again after each milestone or tragedy.</p>
<p>So, I think it would be helpful to hear more of the mid-40s &#8220;recounting of the costs&#8221; struggle stories. Those would encourage and provide examples of how others have matured. It IS a maturing process.</p>
<p>In my original response I was speaking for myself of 3-4 years ago and for some of my friends who were going through the same thing.</p>
<p>Two of us have worked through the &#8220;recounting of the costs&#8221; and taken many practical steps toward preparing an additional foundation that will keep us out on the field another 10 years at least. We first had to answer the deep questions of, &#8220;Is it worth it?&#8221; &#8220;Am I doing something so worthwhile that it&#8217;s worth the sacrifice?&#8221; I think a lot of missionaries can&#8217;t answer that, and this is way they leave the field.</p>
<p>On the ministry strategy side, I made two sets of adjustments to get my ministry more in line with what God has been calling me to do. Habit and the inertia of life had me doing things that weren&#8217;t right on target. By sharpening my ministry focus, that did a lot for me to say, &#8220;This is exactly what God wants me to be doing right now.&#8221; That knowledge makes it easy to recount the costs and keep going!</p>
<p>On the practical side: We raised 20% more $ a month. We quadrupled our retirement/long-term savings over 3 years. We moved to a place better suited for our family for the long-term. My friend bought a cabin way up north in Canada on a lake and goes there each year with his family to establish &#8220;roots&#8221; and how-to-live-in-Canada for his High School kids.</p>
<p>These financial things required us to think differently about our finances. Not like a guy in his 20s, but as a mid-career person. It was a natural progression in thinking to move from my more focused, mature ministry strategy to realistically figuring out what I need financially speaking to be able to do that strategy. For me, it meant thinking not just about ministry expenses, but more about our family&#8217;s long-term investments.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my story in a nutshell. I&#8217;d like to hear more stories of &#8220;recounting the costs&#8221; struggles. Those stories will nicely sandwich in-between the give-it-all-up-for-Jesus-in-your-20s  stories, and the I-never-made-a-sacrifice stories of those who finished well. Prayerfully, many more people can make the transition into mid-life ministry successfully.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/03/24/the-expulsive-power-of-a-new-affection-part-2/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith:  

Thanks for your candor and your vulnerability.  What you describe IS one of the big reasons some of those serving in ministry like you throw in the towel when they reach mid-life.  

I remember having a similar conversation with someone who was very experienced, had paid a heavy price to enculterate, learn a language, and move to another people group, and he and his family were having a substantive, powerful ministry.  Yet he lamented "When I go back to the States, I see all my friends and the things they have - their houses, cars, high paying jobs, private schools, vacation possibilities, etc., and I can't help but believe I could have had the same thing ...I was actually better educated and as capable."  They returned to the States. 

You are right.  The cost changes as we age.  It goes up.  I certainly didn't see it or appreciate it during the idealism of my 20s. 

On one hand, I don't think that the sacrifice we are called to is an excuse for not being a good steward and "providing for my immediate family ..." I Timothy 5:8.   I don't believe any of us whom God has clearly called into vocational ministry can hide behind the commitment inherent in my calling to ignore my responsibilities.  

So because I know you and your situation, I'd like to talk about why your retirement is "meager."  You have the option of doing something about that.  You have the option of planning for children's education.  There are things you can do from where you at this juncture in life to better prepare for the future. 

And I don't beleive this is all an individual responsiblity.  As men and women who are part of an extended community pursuing God's leading in Kingdom pursuits, there is a communal aspect to this issue that does go beyond the strictly personal.   

On the other hand, I cannot avoid in my own life the the call to a lifestyle of discipleship and the inevitable sacrifice inherent in it.  As John Piper so poignantly puts it: 

"When the world sees millions of "retired" Christians pouring out the last drops of their lives with joy for the sake of the unreached peoples and with a view toward heaven, then the supremacy of God will shine.  He does not shine as brightly in the posh, leisure-soaked luxury condos on the outer rings of our cities."    (pg. 111 in "Let the Nations Be Glad")

And you know the list of examples of those upon whose shoulders we stand.  The list goes on and on ... 

For exammple, Amy Carmichael, who as a young girl left Englad and lived and served in India for 50 years with out a furlough, "Her life was the most fragrant, the most joyfully sacrificial, that I have ever known” one biographer wrote. 

Or Samuel Zwemer, after fifty years of labor among Muslims which included the loss of two young children wrote "The sheer joy of it all . . . gladly would I do it  all over again." 

Or both Hudson Taylor of China and the infamous David Livingston in Africa, after a life of extraordinary hardship and loss said "I never made a sacrifice." 

But I find that even those examples and all the exhortations of history and scripture don't completely satisfy in the darkness at 3:00 am in the morning as I am wide awake and wrestling with such issues.  For me it boils down to:  "Is my life really going to count with these decisions I have made?" and "Is God there and is he going to take care of me and mine?"

For me, it is in those moments that I have to somehow do real business ...deep business ...with Jesus.  And in my experience, it is not a one time thing.  

I know that can sound like I am spiritualizing or even as you say, "patronizing."  But I know of no other way to state it.  At least that is how it is in my own journey to this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith:</p>
<p>Thanks for your candor and your vulnerability.  What you describe IS one of the big reasons some of those serving in ministry like you throw in the towel when they reach mid-life.</p>
<p>I remember having a similar conversation with someone who was very experienced, had paid a heavy price to enculterate, learn a language, and move to another people group, and he and his family were having a substantive, powerful ministry.  Yet he lamented &#8220;When I go back to the States, I see all my friends and the things they have &#8211; their houses, cars, high paying jobs, private schools, vacation possibilities, etc., and I can&#8217;t help but believe I could have had the same thing &#8230;I was actually better educated and as capable.&#8221;  They returned to the States.</p>
<p>You are right.  The cost changes as we age.  It goes up.  I certainly didn&#8217;t see it or appreciate it during the idealism of my 20s.</p>
<p>On one hand, I don&#8217;t think that the sacrifice we are called to is an excuse for not being a good steward and &#8220;providing for my immediate family &#8230;&#8221; <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Timothy+5%3A8" title="English Standard Version Bible">I Timothy 5:8</a>.   I don&#8217;t believe any of us whom God has clearly called into vocational ministry can hide behind the commitment inherent in my calling to ignore my responsibilities.</p>
<p>So because I know you and your situation, I&#8217;d like to talk about why your retirement is &#8220;meager.&#8221;  You have the option of doing something about that.  You have the option of planning for children&#8217;s education.  There are things you can do from where you at this juncture in life to better prepare for the future.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t beleive this is all an individual responsiblity.  As men and women who are part of an extended community pursuing God&#8217;s leading in Kingdom pursuits, there is a communal aspect to this issue that does go beyond the strictly personal.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I cannot avoid in my own life the the call to a lifestyle of discipleship and the inevitable sacrifice inherent in it.  As John Piper so poignantly puts it:</p>
<p>&#8220;When the world sees millions of &#8220;retired&#8221; Christians pouring out the last drops of their lives with joy for the sake of the unreached peoples and with a view toward heaven, then the supremacy of God will shine.  He does not shine as brightly in the posh, leisure-soaked luxury condos on the outer rings of our cities.&#8221;    (pg. 111 in &#8220;Let the Nations Be Glad&#8221;)</p>
<p>And you know the list of examples of those upon whose shoulders we stand.  The list goes on and on &#8230;</p>
<p>For exammple, Amy Carmichael, who as a young girl left Englad and lived and served in India for 50 years with out a furlough, &#8220;Her life was the most fragrant, the most joyfully sacrificial, that I have ever known&#8221; one biographer wrote.</p>
<p>Or Samuel Zwemer, after fifty years of labor among Muslims which included the loss of two young children wrote &#8220;The sheer joy of it all . . . gladly would I do it  all over again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or both Hudson Taylor of China and the infamous David Livingston in Africa, after a life of extraordinary hardship and loss said &#8220;I never made a sacrifice.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I find that even those examples and all the exhortations of history and scripture don&#8217;t completely satisfy in the darkness at 3:00 am in the morning as I am wide awake and wrestling with such issues.  For me it boils down to:  &#8220;Is my life really going to count with these decisions I have made?&#8221; and &#8220;Is God there and is he going to take care of me and mine?&#8221;</p>
<p>For me, it is in those moments that I have to somehow do real business &#8230;deep business &#8230;with Jesus.  And in my experience, it is not a one time thing.</p>
<p>I know that can sound like I am spiritualizing or even as you say, &#8220;patronizing.&#8221;  But I know of no other way to state it.  At least that is how it is in my own journey to this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/03/24/the-expulsive-power-of-a-new-affection-part-2/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

This is becoming more challenging to me as I enter my 40s. As a young, unencumbered guy in his 20s I began my ministry career. I wanted my life to count for eternal things and not just make money. I went for it in ministry and didn't worry about money. God would provide, and He did.

Now, 15 years, 2 kids, and 3 countries later I'm feeling that lifestyle decision more acutely. I'm looking at my meager retirement, savings, and no house, and wondering if I acted financially responsible enough in my 20s and 30s.

What will "going for it" and not worrying about money all those years mean to my kids? College is coming, relocation to the States isn't out of the question, we'd like a more comfortable lifestyle after all the years of doing without, and retirement is 20 years away.

I don't regret my decision to focus on the eternal and not worry about accumulating money/stuff. And yet, I now face new challenges that I didn't foresee when I was in my 20s. Counting the costs in your 20s, when it doesn't cost much, is easier than when you're in your 40s or 50s and bills and financial obligations are much higher.

Other missionary friends have experienced this too. I wonder if this is one of the reasons for missionaries leaving the field around the 10-15 year mark? What can we do about it other than patronize them by saying, The Lord provided then and He'll provide in the future too? (Usually said by those who have never had to live it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>This is becoming more challenging to me as I enter my 40s. As a young, unencumbered guy in his 20s I began my ministry career. I wanted my life to count for eternal things and not just make money. I went for it in ministry and didn&#8217;t worry about money. God would provide, and He did.</p>
<p>Now, 15 years, 2 kids, and 3 countries later I&#8217;m feeling that lifestyle decision more acutely. I&#8217;m looking at my meager retirement, savings, and no house, and wondering if I acted financially responsible enough in my 20s and 30s.</p>
<p>What will &#8220;going for it&#8221; and not worrying about money all those years mean to my kids? College is coming, relocation to the States isn&#8217;t out of the question, we&#8217;d like a more comfortable lifestyle after all the years of doing without, and retirement is 20 years away.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t regret my decision to focus on the eternal and not worry about accumulating money/stuff. And yet, I now face new challenges that I didn&#8217;t foresee when I was in my 20s. Counting the costs in your 20s, when it doesn&#8217;t cost much, is easier than when you&#8217;re in your 40s or 50s and bills and financial obligations are much higher.</p>
<p>Other missionary friends have experienced this too. I wonder if this is one of the reasons for missionaries leaving the field around the 10-15 year mark? What can we do about it other than patronize them by saying, The Lord provided then and He&#8217;ll provide in the future too? (Usually said by those who have never had to live it.)</p>
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