Comments on: Alan Hirsch Reflections http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/01/31/alan-hirsh-reflections/ Sam Metcalf's blog about a new generation of leaders for the global church. Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:47:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Subversive Influence http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/01/31/alan-hirsh-reflections/#comment-14 Subversive Influence Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:12:10 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/01/31/alan-hirsh-reflections/#comment-14 <strong>Apostolic/Missional Hirschisms...</strong> Sam Metcalf reports his notes from an evening conversation with Alan Hirsch (Forge, TSOTTC; HT:TSK). Lots there, but two samples: China is an atheistic state forcing the church to act out its essential DNA. The worst thing the government could do is... Apostolic/Missional Hirschisms…

Sam Metcalf reports his notes from an evening conversation with Alan Hirsch (Forge, TSOTTC; HT:TSK). Lots there, but two samples:
China is an atheistic state forcing the church to act out its essential DNA. The worst thing the government could do is…

]]> By: Hismethod » Alan Hirsch on Movements http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/01/31/alan-hirsh-reflections/#comment-6 Hismethod » Alan Hirsch on Movements Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:58:19 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/01/31/alan-hirsh-reflections/#comment-6 [...] Sam Metcalf has posts some highlighted thoughts from Alan Hirsch (co-author of The Shaping of Things to Come) on the nature of the church and movements (via S.A.) [...] [...] Sam Metcalf has posts some highlighted thoughts from Alan Hirsch (co-author of The Shaping of Things to Come) on the nature of the church and movements (via S.A.) [...]

]]> By: andrew jones http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/01/31/alan-hirsh-reflections/#comment-5 andrew jones Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:28:28 +0000 http://www.undertheiceberg.com/2006/01/31/alan-hirsh-reflections/#comment-5 sam great to see you blogging. so glad that alan was able to see you. it was almost 20 years ago when we chatted (your team and i) about the possibility of CRM in Australia. Its great to see the lineage of that conversation over the years and the good things that came out of CRM taking a risk. shaping is a wonderful book and i love it but there are one or two things that i would add to the conversation. 1. we cannot avoid complexity. simplicity is needed in a world of complexity. simple structures enable emergence. but the end result is a multilayed ministry approach and mindset that relates to complexity (which is not the absense of simplicity) 2. new forms of hierachy are emerging but they are not institutional. aggregation on the web involves relational hierachies of information. emerging church movements, in my opinion, DO display hierachical tendencies but they are dynamical and horizontal (bring to front or send to back) - as is the dynamical hierachy of the Truine God in his creation. 3. an addition to Shaping - i think we need to understand bounded sets AND centered sets AND distributed sets (web) hey - blessings on all down there. Debbie (you remember my wife from North Community) says hi! sam

great to see you blogging. so glad that alan was able to see you. it was almost 20 years ago when we chatted (your team and i) about the possibility of CRM in Australia. Its great to see the lineage of that conversation over the years and the good things that came out of CRM taking a risk.

shaping is a wonderful book and i love it but there are one or two things that i would add to the conversation.

1. we cannot avoid complexity. simplicity is needed in a world of complexity. simple structures enable emergence. but the end result is a multilayed ministry approach and mindset that relates to complexity (which is not the absense of simplicity)

2. new forms of hierachy are emerging but they are not institutional. aggregation on the web involves relational hierachies of information. emerging church movements, in my opinion, DO display hierachical tendencies but they are dynamical and horizontal (bring to front or send to back) – as is the dynamical hierachy of the Truine God in his creation.

3. an addition to Shaping – i think we need to understand bounded sets AND centered sets AND distributed sets (web)

hey – blessings on all down there. Debbie (you remember my wife from North Community) says hi!

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